Monday, February 2, 2009

Transfer Deadline Day Open Thread -- Updated!



Just hours to go now (and by the time you see this, maybe moments) until the January window slams shut. As always, there remain a host of possible moves. Keane back to Spurs? Arshavin to Arsenal? Veloso to SF Bolton?? Anyone and Everyone to Citeh? We'll keep count, with your aid and peerless commentary, right here.

Summary of the [more-or-less] confirmed Prem deals after the jump.

IN:
Everton-- Jo (Man City)
Fulham-- Olivier Dacourt (Inter loan), Gray (Coventry loan extended)
Newcastle-- Ryan Taylor (Wigan)
Portsmouth-- Angelos Basinas (AEK loan)
Stoke-- Henri Camara (Wigan loan)
Tottenham-- Robbie Keane (Liverpool)
West Brom-- Youssouf Mulumbu (PSG loan), JC Menseguez (San Lorenzo loan)
Wigan-- Charles N'Zogbia (Newcastle)
Chelsea-- Ricardo Quaresma (Inter loan)

143 comments:

Andrew said...

I'm so ill I think I should be quarantined. Awesome, because now I get to follow this transfer deadline.

It also gives me time to repent for last week's excessive enthusiasm on the Arshavin deal.

WhiteSpeedReceiver said...

I understand that Citeh has put in bids for Iker Casillas, Sergio Ramos, John Terry, Carles Puyol, Phillip Lahm, Steven Gerrard, Xavi, Franck Ribery, Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi, and my dog.

Precious Roy said...

Yeah, looks like the Arshavin deal is dead (so says the Guardian). This might all turn out rather Seinfeldian.

The Likely Lad said...

So looks like Keane deal won't happen til last second, if at all (though he's having a physical juuust in case.) Then there's the Saviola and Quaresma loan moves. Telegraph says if Keane goes, Liverpool could grab both. If he doesn't, Spurs are interested. Tasty stuff indeed!

The NY Kid said...

I'll be glad if the Arshavin deal doesn't happen - we don't need him and I didn't want him.

We need a central defender and a defensive midfielder. Eduardo, Walcott, Rosicky and Fabregas will all be back at some point this season.

Bigus Dickus said...

Norwich nabbed Killen, Gow and Davies from Stoke. Many rumors about Iverson, Purse and Gerrards cousin from Walsall.

The Likely Lad said...

I forgot to mention that the team in yellow-- the one Bigus supports-- they're doing stuff too. Pulling drunks out of bars in Norway, I'm told...

The Likely Lad said...

what timing!

phil said...

TLL, what do you make of these moves? I mean, I rate Quaresma, but I'd much rather see us in for a central defender and a left fullback.

JT said...

apparently the Arse-to-Arse deal is back on, so says BBC. Also:

- Jo to Everton
- rumour of Gio from Spurs to Pompey on loan

phil said...

Sky says dos Santos is staying at Spurs; Pompey say he's not match fit.

Adam said...

everyone needs to check out arsebloggers Twitter feed hes had some pretty funny commentary/photos.

Bigus Dickus said...

Busy day in Norwich...

Adrian Leijer from Fulham
Cody McDonald from Dartford
Alan Gow from Rangers

Killen from Celtic and Carney from Sheffield United also in.

Lupoli out to Sheff United.

phil said...

BBC says 'Pool have confirmed Keane heading back to Purs

The Likely Lad said...

phil- the quaresma thing i think is just in case they lose lennon. or not, god knows we luuuurrrve those wingers. id prefer big fellas to defend crosses, of course. as for left back, depth'd be good, but i have no problem with bae. think he gets a bad rap. chimbo can play there if necessary...

p.s. Liverpool official site confirms that Keane sale is on. Thoughts? Feelings?

The Likely Lad said...

twice today.

phil said...

Honestly, I'm torn on Keano. He was my favorite Spurs player, and I was gutted when he left. Plus, he's a solid link-up man, and may be just what Pavs needs, both from a service and a motivation standpoint. OTOH, he admittedly has lost a step and is not a natural finisher. But all-in-all, I'm glad to have him back. He's the kind of player you need in a relegation scrap.

Would really like to see us poach Upson from West Ham

ü75 said...

Currently addicted to BBC lie transfer thingy, refreshing every minute.

Arshavin seems back on.
Keane is done, but for the announcing
Santa Cruz is moving, just don't know where.

Andrew said...

I'm trying to wrap my head around Spurs selling everyone off last season and now getting them back? I know they had a buy-back clause in the contracts with Keane and DeFoe, but what the hell?

ü75 said...

Ha. That should have been "live". You can interpret that as how much someone should believe these pages, I guess.

ü75 said...

@Andrew-
Desperation does strange things to teams.

phil said...

Andrew, I think it's 'Arry undoing all the damage the Comolli and Wandy did. It looks bad, and, morale-wise, probably is bad, but a club in our position can't afford to keep up appearances.

Precious Roy said...

God if 'Pool agreed to sell him for less than the £20M they are morons. Anyone got a number on the fee yet?

phil said...

Last I heard, PR, it was 15-18 mil.

Precious Roy said...

From the BBC live coverage comments:

"Latest news on Keane and Liverpool is that an agreement has been made with Valencia over David Villa. This is why Liverpool are letting Keane leave. Villa and Torres up front, now that would scare me."

Precious Roy said...

The figure reported seems to be £15 (oh look a competent strike partner just in time for Arsenal to come to WHL... ). Anyway, without Keane Spurs are going to flirt with the relegation battle. With him, they'll pick up 10 points from their next 5 and they'll be fine. Someone at Anfield should realize that's worth at least the £20 they sold him for.

Andrew said...

I understand why Spurs are bringing the players back - can't get relegated.

So is the Arshavin deal back on? I'm reading reports that the physical is all that's left to do.

Andrew said...

Villa to 'Pool? Jesus. If that's true, I like Liverpool to win the Prem. That's the top rated duo in my book.

phil said...

@ Andrew, BBC was saying the only thing holding up the Arshavin deal is that Zenit want half the fee in full, up front.

I don't buy the Villa to 'Pool thing. Valencia have placed quite a price tag on him in the past.

phil said...

'Arry speaks to Sky:

"I am absolutely thrilled and delighted that Robbie Keane is back at Tottenham once again. He is a terrific player. He can make all the difference."

Precious Roy said...

Yeah but Valencia are going broke. They had to sell half the interest in their stadium (I think I read that someplace recently). They need money.

They're not winning the league with Villa and they seem a safe bet for the CL without him. So it's not unreasonable they'd sell him for ~£20M.

Andrew said...

20M for Villa is a steal IMO, especially when he would be paired with Torres.

After this Arshavin debacle, who wants to deal with Russians anymore?

Mike Georger said...

I wish Robbie all the best, I don't blame him for what happened.

phil said...

Villa for 20 mil, especially seeing as he'll be partnered with Torres, would be quite a heist for LFC.

ü75 said...

I'm no expert on transfers, but I read Zenit's demand as they want half of Arshavin's signing bonus, as well.

phil said...

@ Andrew

We're apparently on the same wavelength today.

The way Arshavin and Zenit have toyed with your lot is a near carbon copy of how they toyed with us in August. I'm not sure if it's Russian teams in general, or just Arshavin and his people, or just Zenit.

Precious Roy said...

Deadline extended for deals in principle that can't be completed because of weather:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7865432.stm

phil said...

Can a club demand a portion of a player's bonus? And, if so, what stooge would sign a contract like that?

ü75 said...

Russians in the NHL used to have stuff like that too. Don't know if they still do.

phil said...

PR--

What's the dish on this Mike Grella kid Leeds signed? Good prospect for USMNT?

Precious Roy said...

You know what would be awesome? A huge last minute move by Villa (as in Aston, not David).

Fuck it, they're within a shot of the title what if MO'N when to Lerner and said, "Open up the checkbook, let's go for it."

Andrew said...

@Phil: stop reading my thoughts!

Why do Zenit want half his signing fee? They're acting like the African wife in Eddie Murphy's "Raw." Half, Andrei, HALF!

phil said...

Jay DeMerit may be on the move to Charlton.

phil said...

I'm waiting for something entirely silly from Citeh, right as the window closes.

Andrew said...

@PR: Yeah, a move by Villa/MON to strenghten the squad with a big name signing would be phenomenal. They're within striking distance, might as well go for it.

Precious Roy said...

He's got a good goal scoring record. It was at Duke then some Long Island team (right?), but goal scorers are goal scorers, so he was worth a look.

I know he played in a squad match and they gave him a run out. Know nothing about how he did.

I'm kind of surprised they made the offer if only because they had a handful of players already fighting for time as a striker. But good for the kid. The US lacks goal scorers. See how he develops.

phil said...

Thanks, PR. By all accounts, he was impressive during his trial period at Leeds.

Sky repoting that Spartak London have jumped in on Quaresma as the window closes.

Andrew said...

Arshavin apparently blames both Zenit and Arsenal for the yo-yoing on his status.

This weekend I finally understood why Wenger wants Arshavin; Gunners created very few opportunities - Denilson, et al just don't have the creativity needed in midfield to assist in producing goals. Arshavin fills that void. And with Fabregas, Rosicky, Eduardo, and Walcott all returning over the next few months, we will be very potent going forward.

Mike Georger said...

Good lord I smell bad right now, but I'm not showering until this stuff is all finished

Mike Georger said...

Breaking news: The Football Association has confirmed that no disciplinary action will be taken against Chelsea defender Jose Bosingwa for his challenge on Liverpool's Yossi Benayoun on Sunday


MOST CORRUPT SPORTS LEAGUE EVER

Precious Roy said...

Really, compared to Italy and probably half of the countries in Africa, the FA are amateurs.

Mike Georger said...

Yeah I know, and let us not forget Braz/sil, I'm just mad.
He fucking kicked a guy in the back. Ridiculous.

Andrew said...

I'm laid up on my couch, sick as shit, hacking cough, head completely stuffed up. But I'm following the transfers and rewatching the first season of The Wire.

Good day.

Precious Roy said...

Agree. He should >5 games.

And Lampard should have his ban rescinded.

Then again if I had any power, all traffic lights would blink at 11 pm and Sofia Copalla wouldn't have an Oscar.

Mike Georger said...

I got The Wire boxset from Amazon for eighty bucks a few weeks back, best purchase since car insurance.

Mike Georger said...

And ATMs should give out money in increments of 5.

Keith said...

I mean, I would have loved to have seen a big money move from MON, but I get the feeling he's happy with a first XI of Brad; Young, Knight, Davies, Cuellar; Young, Petrov, Barry, Milner; Heskey and Agbonlahor with Sidwell, NRC, Carew, and Gardner filling in as necessary, and Bouma coming back soon. Would really have liked to see Micah in, but it would likely have crowded out Luke Young, who's quietly been O'Neill's best signing this year. Looks like Sturridge may come in on a free over the summer.

Overall, though, O'Neill doesn't rotate the squad enough to justify bringing in a big name, and the team he has is gelled quite nicely. Heskey turned out to be the big name, and will change the dimension of the team- that was passing football we saw in the first half against Wigan, and it'll likely be refined even more when Chelski come to Villa Park in a couple of weeks.

Mike Georger said...

1721: Arsenal fans, don't look: One of our news agencies is claiming that Zenit and the Gunners have failed to reach a deal on the transfer of Andrei Arshavin. It is only one source, though, so we will try and get more on that as and when we have it.

Andrew said...

This Arshavin deal is making my head hurt even more than it already does.

Have Zenit hurt all Russian teams' chances of successfully carrying out transfers with their antics with Spurs and the Arse?

phil said...

@ Andrew: maybe so. Pavs' signing was relatively painless, barring some work permit issues, but this business with Arshavin, now with two EPL teams, may have some lasting effects.


I can't believe Bosingwa is getting away with it. Appalling really.

phil said...

"1728: Nervous, nervous moments for Arsenal fans, these. The Associated Press are saying Zenit spokesman Alexei Petrov believes the deal for Andrei Arshavin has broken down. We are awaiting confirmation, though. "

This sounds vaguely familiar.

phil said...

BBC says Keane to Spurs is official. No word yet on the fee.

Mike Georger said...

"Referee Mike Riley has informed the FA that, while he did not see the incident himself, it was seen by his assistant Mo Matadar. No action was taken against Bosingwa by the officials.

"Under the FIFA Laws of the Game, the FA is prohibited from taking disciplinary action when incidents are seen at the time by the match officials."

Andrew said...

Wenger needs to stop being an economics professor and just sign Arshavin. And I don't understand why Zenit want half the transfer fee up front; they're one of the richest clubs in Europe - that Gazprom money - so this seems to me like they're just giving Arsenal the big "fuck you" just on principle.

Andrew said...

Wigan making a strong push for a UEFA Cup position with the N'Zogbia signing.

ü75 said...

Sky Sports confirming my suspicion that the hold up is a payment from Arshavin himself.

Mike Georger said...

Gotta love soccernets decision to stop blogging at the end of the original deadline. Retards.

Andrew said...

"The Russia international has reportedly penned a three-and-a-half-year deal at Emirates Stadium, although the final sticking points remains over Arshavin and Zenit agreeing a final payment."

This isn't how business is done, right?

Mike Georger said...

1747: Arsenal fans - don't look again. Reuters are now saying that Andrei Arshavin's transfer has been called off. Back to Russia, then, for the man who so enchanted us during Euro 2008.

phil said...

If he fails to sign with l'Arse, he's done in the EPL for good. No team is going to want to put up with this shite.

Mike Georger said...

So essentially, Liverpool paid five million for a win against West Brom and two Champions League group wins. Whatever.

Though assuming they didn't get a deal done for anyone else, they are really really shallow at striker now.

Mike Georger said...

Great now Liverpool have no number seven, so my LFC themed pin number is now meaningless.

phil said...

Maybe Rafa intends to play Babel up there more often?

phil said...

Maybe the Villa rumors are true, Georger, and they'll give him the 7 shirt.

Mike Georger said...

That would make sense. So no, it won't happen. Your new second striker, DIRK KUYT!

Btw, a week and a half ago I got drunk and bid on a Kuyt Holland jersey, and yeah I definitely won it. 25 dollars well spent ... well that is debatable.

hockalees said...

For the last month, I have watched Arsenal lack anyone on the wings who would even attempt to beat someone on the dribble. I am not an Arshavin fan, per se, but he seems to address a need. His agent is an ass, but he's not alone. Arshavin himself seems like a mercenary.

So that fact that it all appears to have broken down at the final whistle is frustrating. I think I am more upset at Wenger's stubbornness than actually believing that Arshavin would have salvaged our chances in the CL.

The last month of Arsenal football has been reminiscent of the 8 weeks following the Eduardo injury last year... the season is slipping away and the team seems unable to change course.

Mike Georger said...

"the protracted transfer of Andrei Arshavin from Zenit to Arsenal appears close to completion"

Soccernet, unity through faith, faith through unity!

Precious Roy said...

Hockalees: the difference being we were atop the table when that slide started. We've been out of any title race since maybe November.

Don't think Arshavin would have solved all the problems (but yes, we need some creativity from someone besides Nasri) but frustrated that all of the eggs were in this basket.

phil said...

Well, I hope for LFC's sake, he plays Babel up there.

Mike Georger said...

Arsenal still can play a huge role in the title race, two of their last three games are against United and Chelsea. They can at least play spoiler.

I'm sure Arshavin will end up with United or Real in the summer, fuck that guy.

Andrew said...

I will never understand Rafa's affinity to Kuyt. Yes, the Dutchman works hard, but I don't rate him above Babel.

Will N'Gog start to make more appearances?

Mike Georger said...

Honestly they don't need to play two strikers. They had so much success with the single striker formation last season. The problem has been lack of service from midfield and the fullbacks.

phil said...

BBC says something is coming on the Arshvin deal very soon.

Also this interesting tidbit:

1755: Haha. (See 1320) So far, we haven't even got an undisclosed for Robbie Keane's switch from Liverpool to Spurs. We understand £15m and that sounds about right - nice little loan move for Tottenham that turned out to be.

1807: "If we get an undisclosed from Spurs for Keane, it means it was less than £10m. As a Ltd company, anything over £10m has to be declared on the the stock market."
Arthur, north London, via text on 81111

If Rafa sold Keane back for less than 10 mil and fails to bring anyone esle in, there's going to be a fan revolt in Merseyside...or at least over at Georger's place.

Mike Georger said...

That is not even remotely true and when I saw it I was pissed off that the BBC didn't fact check, because Babel and Torres' fees were not officially released and they were both over 10 million

phil said...

Nice catch, Georger. I did not know that.

Mike Georger said...

1820: As plenty of you have pointed out, Liverpool do indeed host Robbie Keane's Tottenham at Anfield on Sunday 24 May, the last day of the Premier League season. For the neutral, that could be a very lively afternoon.

Great.
I would hope there was a noncompetition provision in the agreement. Even if it's illegal.

The club pocketing 10-15 million on a transfer fee when they have some glaring needs ... that is gonna go over real well

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phil said...

That's a good point Georger; I can understand them selling Keane back--he was obviously a bad fit. But to not turn that money around and fill a hole, assuming that they haven't, seems a bit odd to me. I can't imagine the supporters will be too happy about it, either.

Mike Georger said...

Villa's wikipedia page already says he plays for Liverpool

/science

phil said...

It's already been fixed, Georger.

Spectator said...

Ricardo Quaresma to Chelsea is an interesting move.

And I find it pathetic that Arsenal couldn't seal the Arshavin deal after all this time. No matter his worth as a footballer, the team deserves to finish fifth for thinking that the normal rules of football don't apply to them.

Andrew said...

I just checked my Championship Manager and saw that I signed Arshavin for 12.75m last August.

Soooo, why hasn't the deal been completed yet?

Precious Roy said...

£12M?

Maybe Hicks and Gillette have money to burn still.

phil said...

1846: Andrei Arshavin latest: "Both clubs definitely want to complete the transfer, therefore the negotiations are still going," Zenit general director Maxim Mitrofanov has told local Russian television. Oh I love a deadline day saga, don't you?

The fee for Keane is reported as 12 mil, but "rising with add-ons."

Andrew said...

Has Villa made any moves, excepting the Heskey signing?

Is Liverpool just sitting there, not making any moves? If so, why?

The NY Kid said...

Only 3 teams listed on the EPL official transfer page as having no "IN" transfers:

Spartak London
Liverpool
Arsenal

Spectator said...

@Andrew: The Heskey move was brilliant -- he was relatively inexpensive, fits a definite need and is a perfect fit for the team. Sure, Villa could use more depth, but they're set up well to finish third. Part of me still thinks they'll collapse down the stretch, but part of me thinks they've made it this far, they might just see this thing out.

Mike Georger said...

Chelsea get a man who couldn't beat Kuyt down the flank in the Champions League.

Not quite Kevin McHale shipping Boston his entire roster for nothing, but come on.

Andrew said...

@Spectator: yeah, the Heskey signing was shrewd on MON's part. Heskey suits the team better than Big John Carew.

I do have a feeling that Villa won't be able to maintain their form for the rest of the season, but considering how awful both Spartak London and Arse are playing, their CL spot may be confirmed sooner than I expected.

phil said...

BBC says Saviola is staying put.

Mike Georger said...

1915: "Still waiting for news that Liverpool have signed Javier Saviola or David Villa or Fred? Someone? Anyone!? Surely in such an important season they cannot have sold Keane and left us with Ngog's raw potential..."


HOW DARE YOU CRITIQUE THE GENIUS OF RAFA AND PARRY'S TRANSFER POLICY, THEY'RE LEARNING DAMNIT, LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE

/bigus

Keith said...

Andrew-

Remember that we've yet to see how the new First XI plays with Ashley Young in the side. If anything, this three-match ban may have been the perfect little holiday to refresh Webby- Villa got 4 points (and should have had six) with Craig freaking Gardner on the right wing- as good as I think little Craig can be, he's not a winger. Now with Ash back, and with Bouma coming back (which will shift Luke Young to his favored right back, meaning Milner doesn't have to play defacto Right Wing Back) I think Villa might be able to improve on current form, as they really haven't played a good match end-to-end since Boxing Day.

Precious Roy said...

BBC...

1942: Andrei Arshavin's agent has told us the Russian's move to Arsenal is "more or less" complete. Apparently, I'm devastated to tell you, "tomorrow we will find out for sure if it's gone through," says Dennis Lachter, who must be well acquainted with every single football journalist in England by now. I am so, so sorry. Honestly I am.

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phil said...

Arshavin and his people are complete wankers. There is no way his talent can bear this out. The poor lad will be set up to fail, but he brings it on himself.

phil said...

Completely unrelated question:

Assuming that ManU have a CL spot locked up, Spurs still have to win the Carling Cup to qualify for Europe, correct?

Mike Georger said...

Yes. If United win, their UEFA spot goes to the highest finishing team in England that hasn't qualified for Europe. You know, Arsenal.

Andrew said...

@ Georger: HEY-YO!

Zenit's tactics in the Aaarshaaavin mess remind me of Avon Barksdale and Stringer Bell. But with way more bloodshed.

Precious Roy said...

Wow, once match aided by a shitty red and you're all mouthy. Careful Mike, with Keane gone you're now one (re)tweaked tender hammy away from a 6th place fight with Everton.

Mike Georger said...

Ease up Wandering Bear, take a joke.

Precious Roy said...

Same to you, cap'n.

Mike Georger said...

Seriously though, what is the lowest spot that doesn't qualify anymore? Weren't there like ten English teams in Europe this year?

Precious Roy said...

Yeah because Citeh got the Fair Play spot... So the top 4, then Everton, Spurs, Citeh. Anyone else?

phil said...

Thanks, Georger.

BBC live tracker shuts down with no Arshavin deal in place.

Mike Georger said...

Weren't Pompey and Villa in some competition?

phil said...

Didn't Pompey qualify for winning the FA Cup?

Precious Roy said...

Yep... Knew I forgot someone. Keith, help us out on Villa.

Adam said...

Georger, yes they were in the UEFA cup. No idea whos still in it though

Mike Georger said...

I don't know who I want to win the Carling Cup. It's meaningless, but the media will act like it's the greatest achievement since the four minute mile if United win, and if Spurs win we will have to hear about how awesome it means Spurs' season was from BerbaKeane

Mike Georger said...

Oh and BY THE WAY, just because Liverpool had the month from hell doesn't mean I can't make fun of Arsenal.

Sure they're going to be the only team in the league to not bring anyone in this month.
Sure their manager and ownership are a trainwreck.
Sure they're one Torres injury away from competing for fourth with Villa. (by the way, they were in that position before Keane came and before Keane left)

But for now, I can still make fun of you. For now.

phil said...

Obviously, I'd like to see Spurs win the CC, but, all told, it means little if they can't get clear of the relegation scrap.

Mike Georger said...

Has a Championship team ever played in Europe before? I know it can happen, because they were going to make that exception for Cardiff being from Wales if they won, but has it happened?

Precious Roy said...

Well, Fulham were GD away from going down and were a couple of points from getting the Fair Play spot over Citeh...

Keith said...

Villa qualified for UEFA Cup this year via the Intertoto cup. Pompey won the FA Cup, so they qualified without having to play 5 games in June against Iceland's finest. Everton qualified by finishing 5th, Citeh by winning the Fair Play, and Spurs qualified by winning the Carling. Villa would have qualified straight away if any of the top four won the FA or Carling. I think this year is the last year of the Intertoto Cup.

phil said...

I'm not even going to entertain that as a possibility, Georger. The thought of relegation makes me ill.

Magnakai Haaskivi said...

I'm pretty sure that the loser for the Carling Cup doesn't get a UEFA cup slot; I think that's only for the FA Cup.

Precious Roy said...

Hey, underestimate KF Valur at your own peril.

Precious Roy said...

Do we believe it finally?

Andrew said...

@Phil: you're not entertaining the thought of relegation? Admittedly your position should improve with the return of Keane, Defoe, and every other player Spurs have transferred out over the past two seasons. But you are only a single point above the relegation zone. I few missed tackles here, a few bad calls there, and Spurs may very well be a Colaship team next season.

(I really don't think Spurs will fall, but the thought does make me smile.)

phil said...

is Keane cup-tied for UEFA? I think he's cup-tied for FA, but not for UEFA, unless Liverpool lose and drop. Is that right?

phil said...

@ Andrew:

I meant the thought of being a championship team playing in Europe. But the thought of relegation is all too real to me. And it won't even take any bad calls. We're in a very precarious position.

Precious Roy said...

No, no more dropping into the UEFA. In the knock-out stages of the CL it's lose and go home.

But I don't know what being on a CL squad means for the EuroNIT. I would think he's not eligible.

Mike Georger said...

I think he can play actually.

Basing this on the fact that Diarra and Huntelaar played in the UEFA Cup for their respective teams and Madrid are allowed to register one of them for the Champions League knockouts.

You aren't cup tied between tournaments if you only played in the group stage for one and want to play in the knockouts of the other. Or something.

Adam said...

"UEFA rules for the 2008-09 season state that a club may register up to three new players for the knockout stage of the Champions League. But only one of these can be a player who has represented his former club in Europe, and provided it was in another European competition."

Looks like Keane can play, Defoe then obviously can't

phil said...

Here's the pertinent section of the UEFA rules:

17.07 Excluding the three rounds of the UEFA Intertoto Cup and the UEFA Super
Cup, and subject to paragraph 17.18 below, a player may not play UEFA
club competition matches for more than one competing club in the course of
the same season. A substitute player who is not fielded is entitled to play for
another club competing in the same season’s UEFA club competitions,
provided that he is registered with the UEFA administration in accordance
with the present Regulations.

17.18 One player from the above quota of three who has played UEFA club
competition matches for another competing club in the current season may
exceptionally be registered, provided that the player has not been fielded:
− in the same competition for another club
− for another club that is currently in the same competition. Furthermore, if the player’s new club is playing in the UEFA Cup, his former
club must not have played in the UEFA Cup at any point in the current season.


I'm not sure if that makes anything clearer, but it sounds to me like he's cup-tied

Magnakai Haaskivi said...

No, I think Keane'd be eligible based on those criteria. This season, he's never played in the UEFA Cup for another team and has never played for a a club that's currently in the UEFA Cup; that means he could be the one played who's exempted into the squad.

Adam said...

"− in the same competition for another club
− for another club that is currently in the same competition."

I'm thinking that may mean hes in the clear, and not tied. but I can't really understand the legal wording. I guess we'll know soon enough though.

phil said...

Okay, I see now. I think the reading comprehension part of my brain is still coated with malted hops from last night.

Andrew said...

I enjoy the fact that when we argue about if a player is cup-tied, we all go to the UEFA rules. We're a smart bunch.

Adam said...

I went to the google hoping to find a simple answer because I knew I'm too dumb to understand the actual rules. But I did find the answer right away, so I is kinda smart!

Precious Roy said...

Not me. I went for a straight guess.

Mike Georger said...

gotta love the picture choice by soccernet

The Fan's Attic said...

arsene has a woody from looking at that pic.

any word on the Villa to LFC rumor? no. thought not. i hate having my hopes raised and then dashed when they never should have been raised in the first place.